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09-13-2017 04:40 AM

Topic tags/keywords: hinge 110 degree full overlay

Hopefully someone can tell me what i did wrong or if I just misunderstood what I purchased. I installed Blum clip top 110 degree full overlay hinges on a frameless cabinet. Per the Blum installation charts, I installed the hinge cup 24.5mm from the door edge to leave the minimum 1mm reveal (full overlay). The range of motion is only about 90 degrees. It looks like I would have to bored the hinge cup closer to the edge to increase the range of motion, but it would increase the reveal also (not quite full overlay). The instructions didn’t mention anything about the bore distance affecting the range of motion. Please advise.

Thanks


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#1 posted 09-13-2017 04:50 AM

I’m not sure where you got the 24.5 from?
There are different 110 clip top hinges. What is the number for the ones you are using?
3mm from the door edge is normally the closest and 7mm is normally the farthest.
Give me the hinge number and I can help better.

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#2 posted 09-13-2017 05:04 AM

Thanks.
The hinge number is 71B3550.
The mounting plate is 175H9100.
The mounting plate has a zero offset and is installed 35 mm back.
The boring distance I had to use to get the 1mm reveal was 7mm. Add that to 17.5mm (half of 35) to get 24.5mm. I did the math before I realized that was given in the instructions too. This isn’t my first rodeo and I really think I used all the charts correctly, but I must’ve done something wrong.


I m not sure where you got the 24.5 from?
There are different 110 clip top hinges. What is the number for the ones you are using?
3mm from the door edge is normally the closest and 7mm is normally the farthest.
Give me the hinge number and I can help better.

- jbay


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#3 posted 09-13-2017 05:19 AM



Thanks.
The hinge number is 71B3550.
The mounting plate is 175H9100.
The mounting plate has a zero offset and is installed 35 mm back.
The boring distance I had to use to get the 1mm reveal was 7mm. Add that to 17.5mm (half of 35) to get 24.5mm. I did the math before I realized that was given in the instructions too. This isn t my first rodeo and I really think I used all the charts correctly, but I must ve done something wrong.

I m not sure where you got the 24.5 from?
There are different 110 clip top hinges. What is the number for the ones you are using?
3mm from the door edge is normally the closest and 7mm is normally the farthest.
Give me the hinge number and I can help better.

- jbay

- JustLikeJames

I agree,
All I got for you is the chart.
Says 18mm Max. Not sure what you did wrong.

-- If anyone would like to see my Portfolio, PM me and I would be glad to send you the link.

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#4 posted 09-13-2017 11:14 AM

I have looked at this and could not figure out what you did wrong.

I sometimes struggle with these type hinges. I always try them on some scrap boards first to make certain I have it right before I drill holes on a finished piece of furniture.

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#5 posted 09-13-2017 12:12 PM

Yep, that’s the same setting and chart I used.
I’m starting to wonder if the dealer sent me the wrong hinges. I can’t tell the difference in the looks of any of them and they don’t have any identifying numbers on them.

Thanks.
The hinge number is 71B3550.
The mounting plate is 175H9100.
The mounting plate has a zero offset and is installed 35 mm back.
The boring distance I had to use to get the 1mm reveal was 7mm. Add that to 17.5mm (half of 35) to get 24.5mm. I did the math before I realized that was given in the instructions too. This isn t my first rodeo and I really think I used all the charts correctly, but I must ve done something wrong.

I m not sure where you got the 24.5 from?
There are different 110 clip top hinges. What is the number for the ones you are using?
3mm from the door edge is normally the closest and 7mm is normally the farthest.
Give me the hinge number and I can help better.

- jbay

- JustLikeJames

I agree,
All I got for you is the chart.
Says 18mm Max. Not sure what you did wrong.

- jbay


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#6 posted 09-13-2017 12:17 PM

I did a test first. I thought I had them installed right and that I must’ve accidentally ordered 90 degree ones. It kept bothering me so I checked my order and found I did indeed order 110 degree ones. Now I wonder if the dealer had the accident.


I have looked at this and could not figure out what you did wrong.

I sometimes struggle with these type hinges. I always try them on some scrap boards first to make certain I have it right before I drill holes on a finished piece of furniture.

- Redoak49


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jbay

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#7 posted 09-13-2017 12:40 PM


I did a test first. I thought I had them installed right and that I must ve accidentally ordered 90 degree ones. It kept bothering me so I checked my order and found I did indeed order 110 degree ones. Now I wonder if the dealer had the accident.

I have looked at this and could not figure out what you did wrong.

I sometimes struggle with these type hinges. I always try them on some scrap boards first to make certain I have it right before I drill holes on a finished piece of furniture.

- Redoak49

- JustLikeJames


Even if it was a 90 deg. the hinge would stop the door before the back of the door hits the hinge.
The only thing that makes sense is that the hole is drilled too far in.

-- If anyone would like to see my Portfolio, PM me and I would be glad to send you the link.

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#8 posted 09-13-2017 12:49 PM

True, but if I installed a 90 degree hinge based off the charts/boring distance for the 110 degree model, all bets are off. Sounds like I need to call the dealer and see what’s up.

Thanks

I did a test first. I thought I had them installed right and that I must ve accidentally ordered 90 degree ones. It kept bothering me so I checked my order and found I did indeed order 110 degree ones. Now I wonder if the dealer had the accident.

I have looked at this and could not figure out what you did wrong.

I sometimes struggle with these type hinges. I always try them on some scrap boards first to make certain I have it right before I drill holes on a finished piece of furniture.

- Redoak49

- JustLikeJames

Even if it was a 90 deg. the hinge would stop the door before the back of the door hits the hinge.
The only thing that makes sense is that the hole is drilled too far in.

- jbay


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#9 posted 09-13-2017 01:24 PM

You need the 110+ hinge to get a full overlay with the Blum. 73B3550
Chart shows up to 20mm overlay is possible. (the book says up to 22mm)

-- If anyone would like to see my Portfolio, PM me and I would be glad to send you the link.

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#10 posted 09-13-2017 01:48 PM

Thanks for taking to time to pull charts and such, this one’s got me stumped.

The 110+ should have worked too, but I’m happy with an 18mm overlay (that’s just 1mm reveal) which is still considered full overlay on a 19mm door. According to the the chart you attached for the 110 degree model, everything should’ve worked. I called Blum, explained everything, waited on hold a little, then they said all my dimensions were correct. They said to send a pic so they can identify what hinges I actually have.


You need the 110+ hinge to get a full overlay with the Blum. 73B3550
Chart shows up to 20mm overlay is possible. (the book says up to 22mm)

- jbay


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#11 posted 09-13-2017 01:50 PM

Interesting, if you did a test first and it worked then why any problems on actual installation? Sounds like something must have changed.

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#12 posted 09-13-2017 02:02 PM

No, I only thought my test worked. At the time, I figured I must’ve accidentally ordered the 90 degree version so I went ahead with it. The final install works just like my test did. I couldn’t get it off my mind though, so I eventually checked my paperwork and found that I did indeed order the 110 degree model. What model was actually delivered is still up for debate. I’m hoping to get some clarification from Blum. Best case scenario, I find out they sent the wrong hinges, I do an RMA to return them, then order the correct ones again. In theory, I should be able to just swap them out using the same holes I already have. Stay tuned.


Interesting, if you did a test first and it worked then why any problems on actual installation? Sounds like something must have changed.

- Redoak49


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#13 posted 09-13-2017 02:05 PM

I still think your hinge cup holes are drilled too far in, for whatever hinge.

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#14 posted 09-13-2017 02:08 PM

I think so too, but not according to Blum tech support and charts. If I drilled them closer, I wouldn’t have been able to get the full overlay they were designed for. If I have to drill new holes, I’ll just live with it as is. My doors are already built and such.


I still think your cup holes are drilled too far in, for whatever hinge.

- jbay


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#15 posted 09-13-2017 02:14 PM

I don’t understand where the 24.5 distance came from, in any event this Kreg jig
shortens the learning curve and is cost effective for future projects.

https://www.kregtool.com/store/c60/hardware-jigs/p408/concealed-hinge-jig/

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