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Forum topic by ArthurPhlogiston posted 06-18-2018 08:08 PM 1702 views 0 times favorited 9 replies Add to Favorites Watch
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ArthurPhlogiston

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06-18-2018 08:08 PM

Hello all,

I was hoping someone might be able to help me ID this plane. The lever cap says “Stanley” but there’s no number (serial, size or otherwise).

Also, after reading a few posts elsewhere, I’ve seen some more experienced people indicating that older “handyman grade” planes aren’t worth the $10 or $15 that one might find them for (I’m referring to this post, specifically: https://sawmillcreek.org/showthread.php?214731-Defiance-hand-planes).

I’m a user only, not a collector. And I don’t mind a significant amount of frustration as I learn to use hand tools, however I want to limit the amount of that frustration that stems from the tool itself (which is why I’ve tended to stay away from HF, etc. which may have problems that I don’t yet know how to address). I’ve been reading B&G and other similar sources but I’m finding that there’s a little bit more nuance to this than I can internalize at the moment. As a beginner, should I stay away from anything that doesn’t say “Stanley” or “Bailey” on the casting itself?

I understand that this is a subjective and kind of nebulous question but if anyone can give any input about their evaluation procedure or point me toward any useful resources, I’d be very appreciative.

Thank you!


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BlasterStumps

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#1 posted 06-18-2018 08:25 PM

what is imprinted on the top front of the blade? I would think that if it was made by stanley, it would show it there.

One good resource is: http://www.timetestedtools.net/

Another is: http://www.rexmill.com/planes101/typing/typing.htm

And: http://www.supertool.com/StanleyBG/stan0.htm

-- "I build for function first, looks second. Most times I never get around to looks." - Mike, western Colorado

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ShaneA

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#2 posted 06-18-2018 08:29 PM

The journey into working with hand tools will need to involve a good, consistent way to sharpen the tools, as will understanding what sharp really is, along with how to fettle the plane will help cut down your frustrations and yield better results. The best plane, chisels, saws without a sharp edge can be outperformed by “lower” quality ones with really good edges that are set up properly.

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HokieKen

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#3 posted 06-18-2018 08:31 PM

I can’t ID that particular plane right off however, it looks like a solid user to me. IMO, what you want in a good user-quality vintage plane are a cast frog that’s separate from the main body and adjustable and a solid body that’s got no cracks or unreasonable bow or bend. That frog is cast and machined as are the ways on which it locates. For me that means that I can most likely get a good, solid fitment of all the parts.

-- Kenny, SW VA, Go Hokies!!!

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Bill White

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#4 posted 06-18-2018 09:47 PM

Looks as if someone slapped a Stanley lever cap on a Sargent plane body. I could be wrong, but………..

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BlasterStumps

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#5 posted 06-18-2018 10:02 PM

After studying it more, I’d have to agree, it’s most likely Stanley Defiance No 5 size. Not very old.

-- "I build for function first, looks second. Most times I never get around to looks." - Mike, western Colorado

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bandit571

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#6 posted 06-18-2018 11:16 PM

Stanley #5 Jack plane…made sometime after 1962, and before the blue paint was applied…

Make sure the frog will sit without any trouble, and stays put. Then sharpen the iron (25 degrees was usually the one Stanley listed) and make sure the chipbreaker sits on the non-bevel side of the iron, and has no gaps between it and the iron.

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JayT

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#7 posted 06-18-2018 11:20 PM

I agree that it looks like a Stanley Defiance line. Not a premium plane, but can be turned into a good user.

-- In matters of style, swim with the current; in matters of principle, stand like a rock. Thomas Jefferson

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OSU55

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#8 posted 06-19-2018 12:07 PM

That one will be an ok user but Stanley Bailey are what you want. The above links, and other searches, will help define bailey from defiance and handyman. Links to help tune and choose planes.

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ArthurPhlogiston

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#9 posted 06-21-2018 01:14 AM

I just can’t even begin to thank all of you for the input and advice. The tips and resources you’ve provided are really going to help me out as I embark down the hand tool journey. Thanks so much!

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