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Forum topic by ScottKaye posted 08-06-2018 03:03 PM 2117 views 0 times favorited 69 replies Add to Favorites Watch
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ScottKaye

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08-06-2018 03:03 PM

So I posted two projects over the weekend that I had finished up the previous week. The Stumpy’s Worksharp 3000 cabinet was lucky enough to hold the top ranking for most of the afternoon while my “Too many clamps” clamps rack never got above 6th place as far as I can tell. Now here is the puzzling part of the equation. The Workshop project had 508 views and a first place ranking. However, the Clamp Rack project had 1239 views, more than double and never got higher than 6th place. So how does the algorithm work that ranks projects and second, how did I get that many views on a clamp rack project? It had more than double the number of views than most of the other projects that were displayed. All I can figure is that it was somehow picked up on a site like Pinterest or something similar. Its puzzling to me.

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shipwright

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#1 posted 08-06-2018 03:12 PM

The sharpening station had 7 favourites. The clamp rack had none.
Favourites are weighted.

-- Paul M ..............the early bird may get the worm but it’s the second mouse that gets the cheese! http://thecanadianschooloffrenchmarquetry.com/

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splintergroup

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#2 posted 08-06-2018 03:52 PM

I’ve seen the large number of “views” thing before. Typically my stuff will get 1k-3k views before settling down after a few months. One project of no particular uniqueness has received over 16K. Searching on the image indeed shows it popping up in Pinterest, but then again so do some of my other projects. I can only guess there is a popular link somewhere that gives it the hits.

Paul is spot on as to the favorites being weighted more than views. Also it seems the DT3 spans all projects within a moving 24 hour window. If your clamp rack was in a larger group, the competition was greater.

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Rich

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#3 posted 08-06-2018 03:52 PM

I was one of the viewers of each. Not to disparage the clamp rack, but the Worksharp post was far more deserving of its ranking.

-- Half of what we read or hear about finishing is right. We just don’t know which half! — Bob Flexner

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EarlS

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#4 posted 08-06-2018 04:45 PM

When I post a project I’m not really too worried about the DT3. If it something interesting, folks will look, hopefully comment and take something away from what I made. Even better is when folks comment with suggestions, questions, or different approaches to the process so everyone in the conversation learns something from the project.

-- Earl "I'm a pessamist - generally that increases the chance that things will turn out better than expected"

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ArtMann

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#5 posted 08-06-2018 05:26 PM

I don’t post my projects in the “Project” section precisely because so many people regard it as a contest. I post pictures of my stuff in the regular threads to illustrate some point or answer a question.

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#6 posted 08-06-2018 06:21 PM

As far as I can tell, the formula give the greatest weight to times favorited, then number of comments and lastly, number of views. Only the programmers know the exact weighting, but if something is favorited several times, it will shoot to the top, so there must be a lot of emphasis there.

Always tough to know where views come from My travelling workbench project from a few years ago got almost 4000 views in the first 24 hours—it got picked up on a couple Pinterest pages and exploded. The first few pages then got picked up more times and it’s now been viewed over 100,000 times. Yikes!

Keep in mind that someone doesn’t have to be a member to view a project. All woodworkers have clamps, so I could see where there would be interest from a wide audience and why someone who is into Pinterest would pin it. It would also explain the large number of views and few favorites. Pinterest users have it pinned to find it again, while only LJ member have it favorited.

-- In matters of style, swim with the current; in matters of principle, stand like a rock. Thomas Jefferson

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Woodknack

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#7 posted 08-06-2018 06:42 PM

Within the last 6 months I’ve seen projects hit top 3 with no favorites and less than 100 views, within minutes of being posted. One case was 2 projects by 2 different people, that went top 3 very fast with a few views, no favorites, then other projects posted hours or a day prior went top 3. Peculiar. I did notice it but it doesn’t bother me. I wonder if the “view” count is only lumberjocks or does it include hits from social media. (edit, I guess that was a dumb question.)

On Scott’s projects, I clicked and commented on the clamp rack because I need to build a new one. I clicked but didn’t comment on the other because I don’t have a Worksharp.

-- Rick M, http://thewoodknack.blogspot.com/

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John Smith

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#8 posted 08-06-2018 06:50 PM

I am wondering if non-members (visitor) views have any influence on the numbers.
the steamer trunk I made has over 7,000 views and only 32 comments.
so – where did those 7,000 people come from ???

maybe ADMIN can shed some light on how the numbers are calculated

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-- I started out with nothing in life ~ and still have most of it left.

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Smitty_Cabinetshop

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#9 posted 08-06-2018 07:45 PM

It’s been almost seven years since Daily Top Three was launched.

http://lumberjocks.com/msojka/blog/26471

Martin purposefully wouldn’t disclose specifics of the algorithm.

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AandCstyle

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#10 posted 08-06-2018 09:59 PM

I am certain that the algorithm is proprietary, but I have noticed that they seem to have an affinity for A&C style projects.

-- Art

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Ocelot

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#11 posted 08-06-2018 10:37 PM

I’ve posted 3 projects ever. Of course, they were very ordinary projects. That was enough to learn that it’s generally not worth the trouble for ordinary hobby guys to post a project. Maybe if I ever do something I think is particularly interesting, I’ll try again. Sometimes I go to the projects page and click on “silent projects”, to try to give somebody a little boost, but often find that … well, I can’t think of anything to say about the project. That’s sad,, because generally it’s the beginner and low-skilled woodworkers who most need encouragement. Somebody worked hard on that thing and was proud enough of it to take the time to post it, but <sigh> it just wasn’t the sort of thing that stirred much interest.

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#12 posted 08-06-2018 11:03 PM



I was one of the viewers of each. Not to disparage the clamp rack, but the Worksharp post was far more deserving of its ranking.

- Rich

My thoughts exactly.

-- I always knew I would grow old, But I expected it to take longer!

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ChuckV

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#13 posted 08-07-2018 12:47 AM

It really takes something special to make it to the Daily Top 3. Here are two projects that more than deserve that distinction.

This project is the second most discussed on the site:
http://lumberjocks.com/projects/39545

This one is the seventh:
http://lumberjocks.com/projects/97238

Aim for the stars!!

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Dark_Lightning

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#14 posted 08-07-2018 11:49 PM

My carving tool chest made it into the top 3 awhile back.

1131 views, 11 comments and 1 time favorited. Go figure that algorithm!

Something like (Favorites + 1)^8X(views)X(comments)^2 lol

Any other physicists with time on their hands care to back out the secret formula? hahaha

-- Random Orbital Nailer

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BurlyBob

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#15 posted 08-08-2018 12:00 AM

I’ve wondered about how the Daily top three is given as well. I’ve gotten a couple that I didn’t think rated. I’ve seen others that I thought didn’t rate. I’ve seen others that I thought deserved far higher and didn’t get it. Guess it’s just part of the wondrous mystery of being a Lumber Jock. You just never know when fortune and fate will touch you in a good way.

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